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Post by xmackx on Apr 21, 2010 16:15:52 GMT -5
sometimes, yes. why don't we all just read the threads we are interested in and ignore the ones we think are stupid. super! or maybe you could stop posting, too?
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Post by wolf on Apr 23, 2010 10:48:04 GMT -5
naw I'm good
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Post by xmackx on Apr 23, 2010 11:25:06 GMT -5
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Post by on Apr 23, 2010 18:27:02 GMT -5
im pretty excited that a worthwhile argument has erupted from this seemingly meaningless thread. see jeremy? my threads are worth something.
you seem angry a lot. what's the matter?
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Post by on Apr 23, 2010 18:30:40 GMT -5
also i don't care about what you think is worthwhile. i've been told this thread was funny, which was my intent. if a couple kids don't like it and react really fucking negatively to it (like you and alex) then hey whatever, its not a big deal, delete it. that's what i was talking about when i said an event that didnt take place. i didn't freak out about this thread being deleted mainly because it hasnt been but also just sayin that i wouldn't really care. i'd be kind of confused though. everyone on this forum seems to want to be an internet toughie. what's wrong with me making a joke thread?
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Post by on Apr 23, 2010 18:31:55 GMT -5
also, cats out of the bag, i'm a complete and total hipster. cool!
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Post by xmackx on Apr 23, 2010 20:19:05 GMT -5
not trying to be an internet toughie--just calling you lame hipster garbage.
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Post by xmackx on Apr 23, 2010 20:42:39 GMT -5
here's a PS from my good pal jocelyn. she typically reads the message board over my shoulder.
jocelyn says: I want to have high expectations for girls on this board. You can read all the theory you want, you can talk about gender and subculture and wanting to be empowered - but until you start acting empowered and stop talking about pancakes, licking your elbow and being pretty and punk, you'll never get the respect you think you deserve. The actual conversation on this board has been almost entirely dominated by "male" individuals, and the rest seem to have nothing worthwhile to say that can't be summed up by their love of cats, baking or irony. If I claimed to care about empowering women in subculture (which I don't), I would be pissed off that all the women were wasting their time posting garbage that sounds stereotypical of hipstery girls in subculture. Grow the courage to develop a real opinion and engage in an actual debate, instead of validating yourself by treating this board like an extension of your facebook. Are you afraid that you aren't intelligent enough to express yourself without relying on the empty cultural capital of quirkiness?
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Post by on Apr 24, 2010 0:07:19 GMT -5
For your information I didn't say any of those things. I posted about a book called Pretty in Punk, everything else you were talking about was said by victoria. Also its really fucked up to say that in the first place. So if someone talks about cats and baking they can't be "empowered females?" Come the fuck on. I don't need to prove my power and/or femininity by posting things on a message board. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Okay then, fine. Maybe you're right. Guess I need to just post serious intellectual debates all the time in order to be "respected". I don't understand people sometimes. I don't have actual opinions and I'm using this to "validate" myself? I literally made a facebook like two weeks ago so I don't even fucking know what you're referring to.
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Post by on Apr 24, 2010 0:09:25 GMT -5
And you thinking I'm "lame hipster garbage" is the least of my problems anyway.
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Post by xmackx on Apr 24, 2010 9:15:50 GMT -5
even if she did post those things i'm pretty sure you validated it all right away by saying that "you were in love" or something of the sort. so yeah, maybe you only said one of those things or whatever, but again you're missing the point. you could literally sub any of the quirky actions that people in this subculture think are cool and the point still remains that it's hard to take people seriously when it seems like all they want to talk about is shit that people think will be cute and endearing. Sure, you don't need to post anything to talk about how you're "empowered" on a message board, but when the discussion was going on about gender and things that i thought you MIGHT care about you didn't have anything to say except "i didn't read this thing, i don't wanna get into it--but here's my two cents" and that was it. you didn't contribute anything to ANYTHING. to me, that seems like a lack of a coherent argument that doesn't fall apart when it starts getting poked at. it makes me wonder what you're into things for. are you into it because it's the next cute thing or are you into it because you're upset about it all?
It's also not about when you made a facebook. the point was in reference to using public internet forums to talk about the things that you like and to make yourself feel different in some way, like a facebook. let me reiterate this, ITS NOT ABOUT WHEN YOU MADE A FACEBOOK. it's not about the medium you use to validate yourself, the point is that you're doing things that are completely empty and liking it.
p.s. the irony comment was directed at you.
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Post by wolf on Apr 24, 2010 10:40:41 GMT -5
Yes. You cannot agree with people who like baking, cats, elbows or irony on message boards. If you do you are not an empowered female. This makes so much sense. I understand now. What else can't we do if we want to be empowered? Please explain this is genius.
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Post by wolf on Apr 24, 2010 10:54:50 GMT -5
I don't understand why you have to shit on people because they made a joke thread. And then say they are not "empowered" because of it. What the fuck. If you don't care if "empowering women in subculture" then stop talking about it. This is a message board. Maybe this is strange to you, but people have conversations and interactions in the real world as well. If all your conversations with sam involved cats then you might have a point (but even that wouldn't justify being an asshole to her.) It's offensive to me (and I'm assuming to her as well) to say she's not empowered when she's the one of the most empowered female bodied person I know. It's not easy to do that in this culture. It takes a lot of courage and strength.
It takes more strength to be an open kind person than an asshole who shuts everything down. That shit is easy, not to mention trite.
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Post by xmackx on Apr 24, 2010 11:35:40 GMT -5
I don't understand why you have to shit on people because they made a joke thread. And then say they are not "empowered" because of it. What the fuck. If you don't care if "empowering women in subculture" then stop talking about it. This is a message board. Maybe this is strange to you, but people have conversations and interactions in the real world as well. If all your conversations with sam involved cats then you might have a point (but even that wouldn't justify being an asshole to her.) It's offensive to me (and I'm assuming to her as well) to say she's not empowered when she's the one of the most empowered female bodied person I know. It's not easy to do that in this culture. It takes a lot of courage and strength. It takes more strength to be an open kind person than an asshole who shuts everything down. That shit is easy, not to mention trite. you can't just not address things i'm saying because you don't like the way i'm saying those things. deciding that i'm being a jerk in my responses is purely subjective, and i don't care if you think i am. i think it does a disservice to people to not be blunt and open with my problems with them. what i'm trying to do is call her to task on specific things, and i don't think that's assholish. my goal is to make her think about things, and if she can't come up with more than one line deflections constantly, then maybe that should serve as a jump off point for reevaluating herself--and on top of that not just her. it'd serve us all well to evaluate ourselves more readily. i don't necessarily really care about your anecdotes, and i don't think they serve as good arguments. i could make a good argument that it's easier to let things run smoothly then to respond honestly and risk starting some sort of conflict. i could go through an entire day and have everything run smoothly and not start anything. everyone is being cheated when we don't say the things we want to say regardless of who we're saying them to. i have been on one message board that has been worth my time (mildly) and the reason why it didn't suck because there wasn't all this fluffy shit posted all the time. there were people talking about things, and calling people to task on it. you had to know what you were talking about or you'd be walked all over. it was beneficial to have to flesh out arguments and come to conclusions and to be held accountable for the things you said. if you want to continue these normal, boring, everyday conversations then continue on--but i won't be a part of the board anymore. i'm sure you don't care and i don't care if you care--but i tried.
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Post by arjay on Apr 24, 2010 16:56:41 GMT -5
even if she did post those things i'm pretty sure you validated it all right away by saying that "you were in love" or something of the sort. so yeah, maybe you only said one of those things or whatever, but again you're missing the point. you could literally sub any of the quirky actions that people in this subculture think are cool and the point still remains that it's hard to take people seriously when it seems like all they want to talk about is shit that people think will be cute and endearing. Sure, you don't need to post anything to talk about how you're "empowered" on a message board, but when the discussion was going on about gender and things that i thought you MIGHT care about you didn't have anything to say except "i didn't read this thing, i don't wanna get into it--but here's my two cents" and that was it. you didn't contribute anything to ANYTHING. to me, that seems like a lack of a coherent argument that doesn't fall apart when it starts getting poked at. it makes me wonder what you're into things for. are you into it because it's the next cute thing or are you into it because you're upset about it all? It's also not about when you made a facebook. the point was in reference to using public internet forums to talk about the things that you like and to make yourself feel different in some way, like a facebook. let me reiterate this, ITS NOT ABOUT WHEN YOU MADE A FACEBOOK. it's not about the medium you use to validate yourself, the point is that you're doing things that are completely empty and liking it. p.s. the irony comment was directed at you. I'll address this. Just for you. Firstly, you begin with an assumption, you assumed she validated Victoria's views from some preconceived notion you have of who she is. Bad way to start an argument and an incredibly stupid way to think in general. Secondly, you insist that her views and desires are driven by some larger scheme to latch onto the next cool thing and in the very next sentence assert that she has no views on anything. Lastly, yea she probably does use this internet forum to talk about things she likes as do I, as do you. Just because she doesn't want to discuss and analyze every aspect of gender roles on a forum doesn't mean she has no valid opinions. Conclusion: You claim she's not an "empowered woman", you claim she doesn't think for herself. You don't want her to think for herself you want her to think like you.
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