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Post by xxx on Apr 24, 2010 17:55:51 GMT -5
even if she did post those things i'm pretty sure you validated it all right away by saying that "you were in love" or something of the sort. so yeah, maybe you only said one of those things or whatever, but again you're missing the point. you could literally sub any of the quirky actions that people in this subculture think are cool and the point still remains that it's hard to take people seriously when it seems like all they want to talk about is shit that people think will be cute and endearing. Sure, you don't need to post anything to talk about how you're "empowered" on a message board, but when the discussion was going on about gender and things that i thought you MIGHT care about you didn't have anything to say except "i didn't read this thing, i don't wanna get into it--but here's my two cents" and that was it. you didn't contribute anything to ANYTHING. to me, that seems like a lack of a coherent argument that doesn't fall apart when it starts getting poked at. it makes me wonder what you're into things for. are you into it because it's the next cute thing or are you into it because you're upset about it all? It's also not about when you made a facebook. the point was in reference to using public internet forums to talk about the things that you like and to make yourself feel different in some way, like a facebook. let me reiterate this, ITS NOT ABOUT WHEN YOU MADE A FACEBOOK. it's not about the medium you use to validate yourself, the point is that you're doing things that are completely empty and liking it. p.s. the irony comment was directed at you. I'll address this. Just for you. Firstly, you begin with an assumption, you assumed she validated Victoria's views from some preconceived notion you have of who she is. Bad way to start an argument and an incredibly stupid way to think in general. Secondly, you insist that her views and desires are driven by some larger scheme to latch onto the next cool thing and in the very next sentence assert that she has no views on anything. Lastly, yea she probably does use this internet forum to talk about things she likes as do I, as do you. Just because she doesn't want to discuss and analyze every aspect of gender roles on a forum doesn't mean she has no valid opinions. Conclusion: You claim she's not an "empowered woman", you claim she doesn't think for herself. You don't want her to think for herself you want her to think like you. god, i delete my account and then you make me re-up it again to refute this pile of trash. on validation (a short explanation): me saying that she is validating things is based on no "assumption" whatsoever! it's based on the fact that when you say "OMGZ IM IN LOVEZ" that you are saying "whatever you are doing or saying i really like." are you following me on this? so, in essence you are giving here the okay and signing off that the things being expressed are seconded as desirable qualities--hence validating them. you made the assumption that i was assuming...now THAT"S a stupid way to start an argument. to your second well thought out gem: i was trying to get across that seemingly based on this forum or whatever that she has no views on things that actually MATTER. shit, prod her about lady gaga and thick framed glasses with no prescription and i'm sure she's got plenty of views--am i right? to your third quotable masterpiece: while i'm not positive that every post i've ever made on these forums has had substance (to my standards) i can say that the overwhelming majority have. i don't sit here posting about shit "i like." if you knew anything about me (assuming you don't--what happened last time we assumed?) you'd know that the list is short and i'd run out of things to post about quickly. what i post about are things that i want to discuss, things that MIGHT be a little less banal than baking and irony. it's not driven by some "like" it's driven by a want to delve into the way things work, the way we work and why everything is so fucking shitty. not championing piece of shit pop culture and fashion. i was never claiming that she "wasn't an empowered woman", what i was saying was that if she wanted to be then it seems like she'd have a bit more to say on gender or a bit more to contribute to other parts of the forum that weren't based in mindless drivel. shit, if that's empowering than maybe it's a bigger uphill battle than i thought. you're right, i'd probably like her and most people more if they were like me. is that supposed to be an insult? again, if you want to use this board for crap then i have no real reason to continue posting here.
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Post by alexia on Apr 24, 2010 18:20:59 GMT -5
again, if you want to use this board for crap then i have no real reason to continue posting here. sounds like a good idea. i wish you luck in finding a more perfect message board, where women "act empowered" by claiming they don't care about women's empowerment, where nobody wastes your time by makin jokes or talking about their interests, where people are forbidden to stray off topic, where those with any sense of sarcasm or irony are met with serious insults and then booted off the board, and serious business is maintained at all times. should be fun.
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Post by xxx on Apr 24, 2010 18:46:44 GMT -5
again, if you want to use this board for crap then i have no real reason to continue posting here. sounds like a good idea. i wish you luck in finding a more perfect message board, where women "act empowered" by claiming they don't care about women's empowerment, where nobody wastes your time by makin jokes or talking about their interests, where people are forbidden to stray off topic, where those with any sense of sarcasm or irony are met with serious insults and then booted off the board, and serious business is maintained at all times. should be fun. nice of you to chime in with something relevant.
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Post by xxx on Apr 24, 2010 18:58:35 GMT -5
again, if you want to use this board for crap then i have no real reason to continue posting here. sounds like a good idea. i wish you luck in finding a more perfect message board, where women "act empowered" by claiming they don't care about women's empowerment, where nobody wastes your time by makin jokes or talking about their interests, where people are forbidden to stray off topic, where those with any sense of sarcasm or irony are met with serious insults and then booted off the board, and serious business is maintained at all times. should be fun. just because other message boards are pieces of crap doesn't mean this one has to be the same. i'm not interested in people's mostly useless interests, i'm interested in what they have to say that might contribute to a better understanding of all this crap we live in and how we can get out of it or if we can at all. not to mention, the gender identity thread "strayed off topic" and i didn't say shit--i actually argued FOR it to stray. i don't post for fun, and if you do then that's cool, i guess.
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Post by on Apr 24, 2010 20:24:28 GMT -5
to your second well thought out gem: i was trying to get across that seemingly based on this forum or whatever that she has no views on things that actually MATTER. shit, prod her about lady gaga and thick framed glasses with no prescription and i'm sure she's got plenty of views--am i right?
allow me to dissect this for a second. you said "based on this forum". yes, completely disregard the fact that i have a life off of this forum where i actually do talk about things. also i have posted my views on things that "matter" (according to you), but you said they weren't good enough because they weren't in response to a huge argument that i actually wasn't even apart of from the start. it's not my fault a new thread was made about gender identity and that's why i decided to post in there. there was an argument continued from another thread that i wasn't a part of and didn't feel the need to contribute to but i don't feel like i should be exempt from posting my view on something....it's not my fault a new thread was made. jeez.
secondly way to just be a dick. i think it's really fucked up for you to look down on me and insult my genuinity based on musical preferences and irrelevant crap like fake glasses. i said "i think i'm in love" based on the following:
i like being outside, anti-addiction, traveling, skateboarding, being around really great people, sleepovers, feminism, animal rights, going for walks, singing, consent, adventuring, pancakes (they are my favorite thing to cook!!!), dirty hair, researching and learning about sex work, and trying to be happy and healthy
i'm not really sure what you're talking about with cats and baking and bullshit. i could care less about those things. i'm pretty sure the things i posted are legit things to be interested in (as far as your ideas of "what matters" goes) and in any case i think its fucked up to assume that any of those other things she's interested in somehow undermine her views on important things.
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Post by tOM on Apr 24, 2010 21:58:25 GMT -5
when did this board turn into the plan-it-x board? jer you are right, people talk about dumb shit on here, the times its not like every other message board is when there are discussions. jocelyn's right, people use this as an extension of their facebook. however you have to remember every other message board has a ton of users. this board not so many. so the ones that post dumb shit about dumb shit get to feel like they're important because they get to be heard to a small number of people.
also for the record, when someone calls you out on your shit, you need to address whats at hand, not try and side track them by attacking them back for stuff thats off topic. yes jer loves to shit on stuff, thats what he does. get over it and address what he's talking about.
"people have conversations and interactions in the real world as well." yes good point but who the fuck talks about the shit that's talked on this board in the "real world." maybe i'm wrong and you guys do but good god. really? or is the reality that you dont talk about this stuff because your friends dont want to hear it or you're too embarrassed to talk about it or you're saying "what friends"?
message boards are lame and the fact that everyone gets worked up over a MESSAGE BOARD is funny. is funny the word i'm looking for? no, SAD!
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Post by xxx on Apr 24, 2010 22:20:20 GMT -5
seriously, though, let's talk about something that matters--the Pens finished off the Senators tonight in 6 games!
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Post by arjay on Apr 25, 2010 23:30:44 GMT -5
Bet you like maple syrup and chopping down trees too.
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Post by on Apr 25, 2010 23:53:08 GMT -5
If we are talking about gender or sexuality related issues you can bet those are things I talk to with kids off of this board with on an extremely regular basis. Any of the kids on here who I see frequently can attest to that. I wouldn't really say jeremy is necessarily "calling me on my shit", he's just saying that I'm posting dumb things on a message board. It'd be one thing if I took these joke topics I posted seriously and as a way to avoid talking about "important things" because I'm "not smart enough" to, but that isn't the case. I'm kind of done talking about this though, I'm pretty sure everyone's already said what they needed to and I feel like we'd just be arguing in circles after this. Maybe I'm wrong. I just don't really have anything else to say about this. Conclusion/summary: I posted a dumb topic. Maybe someday I'll post something amazingly insightful and intellectual but until then I'm absolutely okay with discussing things with my friends on a day to day basis and burying myself in my own studies....I don't really feel like I need to prove anything to anyone, especially not anyone on a messageboard, and especially not just because I posted a few joke topics/pointless things.
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Post by xxx on Apr 26, 2010 9:52:31 GMT -5
i'm just not convinced that you're always fully joking when you talk about these things. it's an easy deflection to say "oh, i bury myself in my studies and i talk about things that matter everyday, so i'm allowed to post dumb shit on a message board." you can talk about all the dumb shit you want whenever you want and wherever you want. there isn't some balanced out ratio of talking about dumb shit to "intellectual" things! but, the things that you post about on this forum lend the regular person to believe that you post inane, subcultury, hipstery crap...and to me that's not how someone who calls themselves empowered would want to be portrayed, right? until you show me something on here or in real life (though that probably won't ever happen) i'm just going to say that your little "i do things in real life!" deflections are just that--deflections. there have been (and you said little to nothing relevant) and hopefully might be other times for you to take the opportunity to say something worth something in a topic that isn't based on lady gaga, and i hope you do. if you can post something worth the time to read then it would be a benefit to the whole discussion and the people participating in it.
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Post by on Apr 28, 2010 13:20:51 GMT -5
you're right.
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Post by scum on Apr 28, 2010 23:35:03 GMT -5
punk is dead...hopefully this "cutesy punk girl" archetype (which is just the patriarchal archetype of the stupid, inoffensive, submissive woman dressed in hip clothing) will join it.
i hope we all understand punk scenes are a laughingstock to anyone more concerned with engaging theory/praxis deeply and less concerned with music/punk culture. irony is in the crosshairs. anyone care to jump ship?
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Post by xxx on Apr 29, 2010 9:53:45 GMT -5
punk is dead...hopefully this "cutesy punk girl" archetype (which is just the patriarchal archetype of the stupid, inoffensive, submissive woman dressed in hip clothing) will join it.
that's pretty solid. i'm not sure what "putting it in the crosshairs" actually means, though. what do you think YOU can do as individual to speed up the end of this trend? i argue absolutely fucking nothing--just be as pissed off about it as the rest of the things that grind you down. we don't have agency, and talking big just make us feel like we do.
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Post by arjay on May 2, 2010 14:15:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand your point. What does being pissed off actually accomplish, when you allow yourself to slip into defeatist thinking, which it seems as if you've done? You can get as angry as you like about "the things that grind you down" but by claiming we have no agency, I feel like you advocate inaction which will only support that which grinds you down.
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Post by xxx on May 2, 2010 16:16:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand your point. What does being pissed off actually accomplish, when you allow yourself to slip into defeatist thinking, which it seems as if you've done? You can get as angry as you like about "the things that grind you down" but by claiming we have no agency, I feel like you advocate inaction which will only support that which grinds you down. i'm not so sure getting pissed off does much, to be honest. i get upset because it's the only reaction i can have to it all. i'm not "advocating" inaction, i'm just saying that i'm not sure that there's anything anyone can do to stop anything. sometimes inaction is more honest than urgently trying to do anything possible with the hope that ONE time you might actually get it right. you throw around defeatist like it's a bad thing when i'm just calling it as i see it.
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